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		<title>By: Reid Colon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reid Colon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lil wayne was gangsta back den. now hes a lazy bum!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lil wayne was gangsta back den. now hes a lazy bum!</p>
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		<title>By: The Daily Eat: Food, drinks and culture &#187; Blog Archive &#187; FAIL: NYU Protesters Rounded Up, Suspended</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Daily Eat: Food, drinks and culture &#187; Blog Archive &#187; FAIL: NYU Protesters Rounded Up, Suspended</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The protest where a bunch of NYU students locked themselves in their cafeteria (oh noes!) and wouldn&#8217;t move until their demands were met&#8230; moved. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Campus Politics, and What Liberalism Can&#8217;t Become (Again)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Campus Politics, and What Liberalism Can&#8217;t Become (Again)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for you Rice alums) for the organization&#8217;s ringleaders. This despite generous offers of clemency from the NYU administration, who throughout the &#8220;occupation&#8221; treated TBNYU with greater [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for you Rice alums) for the organization&#8217;s ringleaders. This despite generous offers of clemency from the NYU administration, who throughout the &#8220;occupation&#8221; treated TBNYU with greater [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Angel T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with Johnny Bravo. If executed better, I could respect them more. They came across as chaotic and disorganized, a few kids out on a lark. Their goals weren&#039;t horrible, but they should have picked one theme and stuck with it. Financial disclosure, fair pay, Gaza and whatever else was on there were too disparate to take seriously. It didn&#039;t come across as well thought-out. Did they think of the cost of providing scholarships to students to Gaza and whether that is the best use of the money? Why Gaza and not one of the several other places in the world that also need assistance? I think it is a noble goal to want the university to be socially minded, but you still have to think about the way to accomplish that. And I hardly think a small group of protesters deciding for the whole school that our resources should go to this one school in Gaza is &quot;democratic.&quot; I question how much thought they actually gave to the practicalities of executing their demands.

I am also very curious as to whether they even petitioned the administration before doing this. It does seem as though they just woke up and decided to protest. Civil disobedience is supposed to be a last resort. You don&#039;t start with it. 

And then to ask for amnesty first... to me that completely undermined their purpose. Their first demand should have been their number one goal, not a selfish plea to avoid the trouble they caused. I think they missed the point of civil disobedience; you are supposed to accept the punishment. Martin Luther King Jr. did not write his letter from the Birmingham jail because he had no where else to stay. A willingness to sacrifice yourself and accept punishment shows the strength of your belief in your cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with Johnny Bravo. If executed better, I could respect them more. They came across as chaotic and disorganized, a few kids out on a lark. Their goals weren&#8217;t horrible, but they should have picked one theme and stuck with it. Financial disclosure, fair pay, Gaza and whatever else was on there were too disparate to take seriously. It didn&#8217;t come across as well thought-out. Did they think of the cost of providing scholarships to students to Gaza and whether that is the best use of the money? Why Gaza and not one of the several other places in the world that also need assistance? I think it is a noble goal to want the university to be socially minded, but you still have to think about the way to accomplish that. And I hardly think a small group of protesters deciding for the whole school that our resources should go to this one school in Gaza is &#8220;democratic.&#8221; I question how much thought they actually gave to the practicalities of executing their demands.</p>
<p>I am also very curious as to whether they even petitioned the administration before doing this. It does seem as though they just woke up and decided to protest. Civil disobedience is supposed to be a last resort. You don&#8217;t start with it. </p>
<p>And then to ask for amnesty first&#8230; to me that completely undermined their purpose. Their first demand should have been their number one goal, not a selfish plea to avoid the trouble they caused. I think they missed the point of civil disobedience; you are supposed to accept the punishment. Martin Luther King Jr. did not write his letter from the Birmingham jail because he had no where else to stay. A willingness to sacrifice yourself and accept punishment shows the strength of your belief in your cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Christina Cardinal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina Cardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to comment on a few things here. 

First of all, the injuries sustained at the protest.  I love how everyone is commenting that a security guard was injured.  I was there and I can tell you that I don&#039;t personally know if I believe that any security guards were &quot;really&quot; hurt. I think that they may have taken her in as a precaution so she couldn&#039;t sue.  There were many students who suffered injuries caused by the security guards and police as well.  But in spite of all of this, I witnessed a security guard shaking hands with one of the students and talking to him because they know each other from a dorm.  Neither group wants to be fighting the other one.  It&#039;s a shame that the administration has declared that the security force should fight their battle for them.  They refuse to take matters into their own hands and discuss the issues with the students.  THEY have created an unsafe situation at the school.

Secondly, majority of the students protesting are not at NYU as trust fund kids.  They are working hard for their education and will continue to pay off loans for years to come.  It is not mommy and daddy&#039;s money, as it clearly is for many of the people blogging about this.  And if it is your money, then why don&#039;t you care how it is being spent?  I know that many of you have said that lower to middle class kids should simply go to a cheaper school, but that is exactly what causes the huge gaps in our economic classes.  The name NYU, the prestige of this university, the doors that it opens for its students through internships, jobs, and networking cannot be found at any other school.  Who is to say that only the rich should be privileged enough to gain access to the opportunities that this school has to offer? Why is it that a hard working, extremely intelligent, dedicated individual is not worthy of the same educational experience simply because they are not wealthy enough?  All that does is make sure that the wealthy stay in control, even if they are not the majority in the country.  

Lastly, NYU should have seen this coming.  They have been aware of TBNYU&#039;s issues for a long time now.  They were also aware that they do not listen to the voices of their students.  These are facts.  What they now need to consider is the fact that these students have done exactly what NYU has taught them to do.  This school shapes leaders.  As a student here, I have been taught the importance of moral and ethical behavior which I have seen stressed by all of my professors and the administration itself.  It is no surprise that these students who have been taught to stand up in the face of injustice have finally decided that enough is enough.  These are not unintelligent losers, they DID get in to NYU, so respect them at least that much.  They may have different beliefs than you, but they are not stupid, and stating that they are is ignorant and ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to comment on a few things here. </p>
<p>First of all, the injuries sustained at the protest.  I love how everyone is commenting that a security guard was injured.  I was there and I can tell you that I don&#8217;t personally know if I believe that any security guards were &#8220;really&#8221; hurt. I think that they may have taken her in as a precaution so she couldn&#8217;t sue.  There were many students who suffered injuries caused by the security guards and police as well.  But in spite of all of this, I witnessed a security guard shaking hands with one of the students and talking to him because they know each other from a dorm.  Neither group wants to be fighting the other one.  It&#8217;s a shame that the administration has declared that the security force should fight their battle for them.  They refuse to take matters into their own hands and discuss the issues with the students.  THEY have created an unsafe situation at the school.</p>
<p>Secondly, majority of the students protesting are not at NYU as trust fund kids.  They are working hard for their education and will continue to pay off loans for years to come.  It is not mommy and daddy&#8217;s money, as it clearly is for many of the people blogging about this.  And if it is your money, then why don&#8217;t you care how it is being spent?  I know that many of you have said that lower to middle class kids should simply go to a cheaper school, but that is exactly what causes the huge gaps in our economic classes.  The name NYU, the prestige of this university, the doors that it opens for its students through internships, jobs, and networking cannot be found at any other school.  Who is to say that only the rich should be privileged enough to gain access to the opportunities that this school has to offer? Why is it that a hard working, extremely intelligent, dedicated individual is not worthy of the same educational experience simply because they are not wealthy enough?  All that does is make sure that the wealthy stay in control, even if they are not the majority in the country.  </p>
<p>Lastly, NYU should have seen this coming.  They have been aware of TBNYU&#8217;s issues for a long time now.  They were also aware that they do not listen to the voices of their students.  These are facts.  What they now need to consider is the fact that these students have done exactly what NYU has taught them to do.  This school shapes leaders.  As a student here, I have been taught the importance of moral and ethical behavior which I have seen stressed by all of my professors and the administration itself.  It is no surprise that these students who have been taught to stand up in the face of injustice have finally decided that enough is enough.  These are not unintelligent losers, they DID get in to NYU, so respect them at least that much.  They may have different beliefs than you, but they are not stupid, and stating that they are is ignorant and ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: dave l</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mike you do realize that a private school can decide to only accept males or females.  i know of several single sex colleges hell 2 are with in 3 hours of me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mike you do realize that a private school can decide to only accept males or females.  i know of several single sex colleges hell 2 are with in 3 hours of me.</p>
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		<title>By: J McDougal</title>
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		<dc:creator>J McDougal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These kids are idiots.  Complete retards.  A protest over budget transparency? Really?  I even read one quote that said &quot;I had no idea going to school here costs that much&quot;.  That&#039;s because you don&#039;t pay for it.  

If money was such an issue for NYU students then they would have looked at the financials before they went there.  And the Gaza Strip thing: a pathetic attempt to illustrate their &quot;selflessness&quot;, even though they are being completely self-centered, meaning they are acting like their voice matters.  It doesn&#039;t.  

Also, I love how there&#039;s the classic Ivy League condescending school conversation on this board:   &quot;Jeez, they’ll let anyone into Brown these days.&quot;  &quot;sorry that dartmouth and vassar rejected you&quot;

Haha.  You guys over at NYU must really try hard to make yourselves look this stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These kids are idiots.  Complete retards.  A protest over budget transparency? Really?  I even read one quote that said &#8220;I had no idea going to school here costs that much&#8221;.  That&#8217;s because you don&#8217;t pay for it.  </p>
<p>If money was such an issue for NYU students then they would have looked at the financials before they went there.  And the Gaza Strip thing: a pathetic attempt to illustrate their &#8220;selflessness&#8221;, even though they are being completely self-centered, meaning they are acting like their voice matters.  It doesn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Also, I love how there&#8217;s the classic Ivy League condescending school conversation on this board:   &#8220;Jeez, they’ll let anyone into Brown these days.&#8221;  &#8220;sorry that dartmouth and vassar rejected you&#8221;</p>
<p>Haha.  You guys over at NYU must really try hard to make yourselves look this stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominic S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to point out that TBNYU has not only wasted the financial resources of NYU and the NYPD, but also the time of people such as myself whose attentional biases could not be ignored. And anyone who is not substantially affiliated with NYU or has a doctorate in NYU-Student relations has no business or credibility in blogging here. Specifically you, Mike da Cruz. Jesus, you&#039;re annoying! Now I&#039;m going to go and resume my research in Bobst, access to which I fractionally pay for (not members of the general public—they have the NYPL system).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to point out that TBNYU has not only wasted the financial resources of NYU and the NYPD, but also the time of people such as myself whose attentional biases could not be ignored. And anyone who is not substantially affiliated with NYU or has a doctorate in NYU-Student relations has no business or credibility in blogging here. Specifically you, Mike da Cruz. Jesus, you&#8217;re annoying! Now I&#8217;m going to go and resume my research in Bobst, access to which I fractionally pay for (not members of the general public—they have the NYPL system).</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Monica J

Sorry, you don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about.

http://www.nyunews.com/2.6167/1.644812-1.644812

&quot;The NYU student body&#039;s affluent tilt shows in the number of students who submitted a FAFSA, which is required of all students seeking aid. Out of the nearly 4,000 students in next year&#039;s entering class, only about 2,300, or 58 percent, did so, Hall said.

Hall said that the mean family income of those who demonstrated need through the FAFSA was $82,200 and the mean family income for those who did not demonstrate need was $199,200. Students whose families don&#039;t bother applying for aid presumably have even higher incomes, but NYU does not have access to their financial records.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Monica J</p>
<p>Sorry, you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nyunews.com/2.6167/1.644812-1.644812" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyunews.com/2.6167/1.644812-1.644812</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The NYU student body&#8217;s affluent tilt shows in the number of students who submitted a FAFSA, which is required of all students seeking aid. Out of the nearly 4,000 students in next year&#8217;s entering class, only about 2,300, or 58 percent, did so, Hall said.</p>
<p>Hall said that the mean family income of those who demonstrated need through the FAFSA was $82,200 and the mean family income for those who did not demonstrate need was $199,200. Students whose families don&#8217;t bother applying for aid presumably have even higher incomes, but NYU does not have access to their financial records.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex C. Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex C. Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ron,
It’s reasonable for students to be able to veto any University financial decision? Yes, the students are kind of like share-holders of a company... if the majority of them agree then yes they should be able to.
It’s reasonable for a very small percentage of the student body, without any evidence whatsoever that they represent event the slightest majority of the student body, to negotiate with the University regarding policies that will affect ALL students? I don&#039;t think they were trying to do that. If you look at their demands, they were trying to give the general population more say in what goes on at NYU.
It’s reasonable to demand that the Coke ban, which was lifted through democratic process, should now be reconsidered?
Yes, if someone has a concern, they shall be able to have it reconsidered

As for the Gaza thing... I don&#039;t know. I do agree with you, that was a little extreme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ron,<br />
It’s reasonable for students to be able to veto any University financial decision? Yes, the students are kind of like share-holders of a company&#8230; if the majority of them agree then yes they should be able to.<br />
It’s reasonable for a very small percentage of the student body, without any evidence whatsoever that they represent event the slightest majority of the student body, to negotiate with the University regarding policies that will affect ALL students? I don&#8217;t think they were trying to do that. If you look at their demands, they were trying to give the general population more say in what goes on at NYU.<br />
It’s reasonable to demand that the Coke ban, which was lifted through democratic process, should now be reconsidered?<br />
Yes, if someone has a concern, they shall be able to have it reconsidered</p>
<p>As for the Gaza thing&#8230; I don&#8217;t know. I do agree with you, that was a little extreme.</p>
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