Dan Rather used to end his broadcast by saying, “Courage”. He should heed his own advice for a change.

http://www.davidraygriffin.com

At the risk of turning this into a 9/11 conspiracy thread I need to provide Randy Dujour here with something he should watch.

Conspiracy Movie

While the guy shouldnt have spit, obviously, I find those 9/11 truthers to fall closer under the category of harassment rather than “freedom of speech.” They just keep asking questions really loud and bothering people as if people haven’t already answered them. All their stupid questions have been answered many times before…

Defenders of the official account of 9/11 would have you believe there are no credible critics of the official account. However, consider the following:

- Raymond McGovern, PhD, former Chairman of the CIA’s National Intelligence Estimates (NIE) and 27-year CIA veteran. “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke.” (According to the CIA, NIE’s are “the most authoritative written judgments concerning national security issues.”)

- William Christison, former Director of the CIA’s Office of Regional and Political Analysis, overseeing 250 CIA analysts. 29-year CIA veteran. “I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. … An airliner almost certainly did not hit The Pentagon. … The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them.”

- Melvin Goodman, PhD, former Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs and Senior Analyst from 1966 - 1990. “The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup. I don’t know how else to describe it.”

- General Albert Stubblebine, former commanding general of U.S. Army Intelligence. 32-year U.S. Army veteran. “I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What’s going on?”

For decades, we relied on these individuals to collect information essential to our national security and provide critical analysis during which time the U.S. faced far more real and much more serious threats than anything today. We cannot now ignore their stunning condemnation of the official account of 9/11.

Information about 1,000 other credible critics of the official account of 9/11 is available at http://PatriotsQuestion911.com

Decide for yourself after hearing the scientific evidence. Hear a daily 911Truth Teachin where scientists, engineers, and architects evaulate the evidence regarding 911. You’ll be very surprised as to what the mainstream news does not what you to find out.

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Dear 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists,

If you believe your ’scientific evidence’ or engineer testimony is not a scattered mess of anecdotes and rhetorical techniques - do what any group does when they think they have found a serious idea - compile your research and submit it to an an Academic Journal for peer review. Until then you are embarrassing yourselves.

Go away.

To Cody and everyone, 2 articles have already been published, if you disputed the conclusions, you’re welcome to submit an article to scientific journals for peer-review and possible publication- the Fourteen Points article will be pretty hard, as the 5 authors agree with NIST on these 14 points in the NIST report, which contradict the official conclusions.

Fourteen Points of Agreement with Official Government Reports on the World Trade Center Destruction
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCIEJ/2008/00000002/00000001/35TOCIEJ.SGM

Environmental anomalies at the World Trade Center: evidence for energetic materials
http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/

However, it doesn’t take a Phd to understand that plane damage, jet fuel fires and 15-30 stories of building mass could pulverize 90-85 stories of steel-frame and concrete skyscrapers into dust and small piles of rubble in about 10 seconds- and then WTC 7 is an obvious classic controlled demolition.

Besides the failure of the NIST reports to answer normal and obvious questions, the 9/11 Commission, Bush Administration and corporate media have never explained the insider trading, the CIA hiding terrorists from the FBI, FBI supervisors blocking field agents from breaking up the 9/11 plot, Secret Service leaving Bush in his publicized location at the elementary school for 1/2 an hour, no air defense for nearly 2 hours and several war games going on on 9/11, over 40 briefings on al qaeda, many of them urgently warning of signs of impending attack.

We’ve never been told the truth about 9/11, and it sure doesn’t look like a simple case of criminal negligence and incompetence- how can anyone believe the Official Conspiracy Theory, when it’s contradicted repeatedly by official statements and documents, and mainstream media reporting?

Complete 911 Timeline
http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

make that 3 articles, this was just published:

James Gourley Published in “The Journal of Engineering Mechanics”
http://www.911blogger.com/node/18196

and above, i meant “couldN’T pulverize”

Oh no. It became a conspiracy thread. My bad.

But seriously guys, watch the BBC documentary I linked and silently admit to yourself the “Truth” movement is ridiculous.

Our government was probably negligent concerning intelligence pre - 9/11 but the Secret Service and Dick Cheney didn’t blow up the Twin Towers…

i’m withholding judgement til I see the Oliver Stone movie.

It’s a good thing that Dan Rather didn’t end his broadcasts by saying, “critical thinking skills.” Then you guys would be fucked.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11818067/the_low_post_the_hopeless_stupidity_of_911_conspiracies

The only ‘conspiracy’ surrounding 9/11 is that presented by the U.S. government at this point that is sticking to the “19 hijackers outsmarted our entire air defense. rendering our trillion dollar air defense system useless for more than an hour” story (can anybody say stand-down order?)

Here’s how you know 9/11 was an “inside job” (that term is a misnomer though, because there was Israeli Mossad involvement, and coordination with European media, mainly the BBC.

1. Look at the Shanksville “crash site”. It is a completely a-typical site. Any crash scene investigator (not on payroll) would tell you there are serious issues. The government story says it crashed into the ground, but the ‘wing scars’ are pre-existing since ‘94.. so the crater is the only thing new? B.S.

2. Look at the Pentagon… very unusual plane crash, no debris once again (besides some very flimsy pieces of aluminum).. busts through 3 walls on the pentagon, only leaving a 16 foot hole.. come on people wake up.

3. WTC has molten steel remaining months after the attack. Jet fuel doesn’t burn nearly hot to explain this phenomena, nor friction.

4. WTC-7 (not reported on). Housed numerous government agencies and command centers, and is also owned by Silverstein, and it falls, silverstein said it was ‘pulled’ which is demo. talk for demolished.

5. Insider trading on Merryl Lynch, American and United Airlines and various other entities involved. Put options (guessing a stock will fall) many times larger volume than usual were placed.

6. FEMA arrived on 9/10 in New York.

7. “Explosives found on George Washington Bridge 2-3 arrests made” reported by Tim Russert.

8. BBC Reports WTC-7 Collapse 23 minutes before it occurred. The ‘Salmonon Brothers’ building remains clearly visible over her left shoulder.

9. Bin Laden Tapes clearly faked

10. We invade Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia (the country the Saudis are supposedly from).

11. Patriot act already ready to go before 9/11

12. PNAC (Project for the New American Century) think tank (Dick Cheney, Wolfowitz, Bush, et al.) calls for a ‘New Pearl Harbor’ type event to gain support for increase in military spending, and aggression in central Asia shortly before 9/11.

13. 2.3 trillion dollars announced missing 9/10/01, the Pentagon declares a ‘war on waste’.

14. Only 5 frames released from the pentagon ‘crash site (missile impact) out of some 85 Cameras which caught the explosion. The flight path was impossible on a number of levels, not to mention a plane can’t fly mere feet below ground at that speed to to ground effect vortices.

15. Cellphone calls impossible from 30,000 feet in 2001.

Cody,

Did you know that Mike Gravel, who ran for president, served the Alaskan people for more than a decade and helped stop the vietnam draft, is pushing for the first truly independent investigation into 9-11? Himself and Lincoln Chafee, a RI senator, a republican nontheless, and millions of people around the world want an investigation.

Stop masquerading as a journalist, because a journalist looks into all the facts before writing “dear conspiracy theorists…”
How does it feel that you have been proven wrong on your blog? There have been MANY peer reviewed journals. You just don’t know any better because you take what the mainstream media gives you as fact and twitter away nonsense on your site.

30,000 New Yorkers signed a petition this summer to get a new investigation going.
Did you know that? Do you know how much work that takes?
Do you know who Lori Van Auken is?
How about Bob McIlvaine?
Phil Zelikow? He was the exec. director of the 9/11 Commission. WIkipedia him and tell me if the commission was independent.

U.N. Official Supports New Investigation
http://www.nysun.com/news/foreign/un-official-calls-study-neocons-role-911

Japanese Official Asks for New Investigation
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8274552561914055825
(1 of 4)
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20080617zg.html

British Parliament Member, German Secretary of Defense Doubt 9/11 Story
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8274552561914055825

I don’t think “Paul Revere” is even that guy’s real name.

The writing has been on the wall for years,but some people still dont want to believe that elements within their own government would authorize such a thing.
Google “Operation Northwoods” and just know that the u.s government has always done or attempted some shady **it; actions which fly in the face of the Constituion and the will of the people. Take NYU, for example. Does, say, someone working in NYU mail services know what policies and possible building purchases are happening with NYU facilities? No. It’s called compartmentalism. Conspiracies happen monthly in Washington, but this one just takes the cake. It’s just a matter of which conspiracy theory one believes…the one Phil Zelikow and George Bush gave us via the 9/11 COmmission Report, or another alternative theory which contains more scientific evidence, tons more evidence, and many more advocates than the defenders of the official theory.

How about the Gulf of Tonkin incident? Cody, do you know what that is? It was a FALSE attack that the US used for justification to kick Vietnam into high gear. It has been declassified, was mentioned on the RNC debates several months back by Ron Paul, and much of america still sleeps because our society has been so pumped full of propaganda and muslim bashing that anything outside of such is considered “crazy” or a “conspiracy theorist.”

Do you know how many men and women in this country who are employed by colleges and universities, and former government officials, there are that question 9-11? Not just bored activists, celebs and people that lost people that day.

Hard facts easily found in the public record give evidence that the official investigation of 9/11 was at first stonewalled in serious ways, then gave nothing more than a restatement of the Bush administration’s explanation of the attacks. This simply was not a critical, open-ended investigation.

They lied about Hani Hanjour being an experienced pilot. He was barely an ameteur and was not capable of putting that plane into the Pentagon at that rate of speed, doing a 180 degree maneuver that hundreds of pilots have gone on record to say was impossible.

They failed to investigate the discrepancies in timelines given by NORAD on the absence of air defense.

They said the financing was of little or no consequence. Can you believe that? Pakistan’s ISI sent Atta 100,000.00 bucks and Tom Kean and Co. said this was “insignificant” and was never mentioned iin the report. Unbelivable.
Understandable, though, since the commission mandate was NOT to follow the financing or to actually subpoena information.Aren’t investigations supposed to “follow the money”?

Only 30% of 400 questions compiled by the Family Steering Committee were addressed.

Many whistleblowers weren’t allowed to testify, and key testimony was excluded from the final report.

Should we allow this? Millions of Americans don’t think so according to national polls. Many family members don’t think so.

If we’ve been lied to about every reason to invade Iraq, about the use of torture, about Plamegate, about Katrina, about air quality at Ground Zero, can anyone realistically believe we’ve been told the truth about 9/11?

If anyone needs more reasons why questions exist, visit http://www.911proof.com. Google “Rebuilding America’s Defenses” by PNAC. Find out why the FBI doesn’t connect Bin Laden with 9/11. Get informed, because corporate owned American media, which won’t tuch this topic still, actively supresses 9/11 Truth discussion.
Even non corporate owned papers are still scared to cover the gargantuan and growing global 9/11 Truth Movement for fear of actually having to do their jobs and investigate the issues REAL JOURNALISTS failed to investigate 9/11 and the 9/11 Commission Report . Actually they are scared to do their jobs for fear of losing them.
Ever here of “We are Change?” It’s an organization about 300 times the size of NYU Local and is global.

Read David Ray Griffin’s “American Empire”, watch Loose Change Final Cut, get informed.

Cody, Ned, I have something to tell you. I planned 9/11. I did it because the Twin Towers look like two giant penises, and that doesn’t make any sense. You see, I have access to every facet of government, not just in America, but in England as well. I just told everyone in any position of public authority, whether it be politicians, the press, the hot dog venders in DC, I told all of them that if they said anything I’d beat their asses. Please kill these all these people before they expose me and I get sent to jail.

I’m not big on that Loose Change video either. Kill that guy too.

Gasp! And you would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for a handful of conspiracy theorists on the Internet who were able to see what the overwhelming consensus of experts could not!

Also:

http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_was-911-inside-job.html

As an occasional Cracked contributor, I consider it not only a credible source, but the only credible source.

Besides NYU Local, of course.

So I actually read all the posts, which I’m pretty proud of. Plowing through that bullshit was pretty difficult to do. Anyways…

I watched a documentary on the History Channel once. It was about the 9/11 Truthers and their accusations against the federal government. Each time a piece of evidence that the Truthers brought up to prove that the attacks were a conspiracy, some old guy (he was undoubtedly an expert) proved each of them wrong. And since I normally watch the History Channel to get my facts and learn stuff, I believed the old guy.

It seems like a lot of you Truthers are just connecting the dots to things that don’t exist. And I did watch ‘Loose Change’. It’s a comedy, right?

For some reason, anti-intellectualism has always been officially treated with favour by US media bosses. The implicit argument of the anti-intellectual is “hey, I’m too stupid to follow your argument, so you can’t convince me to change my views. ha ha ha.”

[...] Dandavate nyulocal Monday, Oct 20, [...]

[...] Gregory Lew Rockwell.com Monday, Oct 20, [...]

I can say with a high degree of certainty that if those accused of carrying out the 9/11 attacks were tried in within the criminal court system, they would be acquitted, for lack of evidence.

The official 9/11 story is a mostly unproven myth, while abundant evidence exists suggesting the attacks were an inside job.

The problem with those who accept the official story is that they never seem to question what they learn from the U.S. media that mostly under the control of a small concentration privately owned corporations.

NYU Local Editors:

Again, check your facts. The man who spit/spat is NOT directly employed by the university. He is paid via a different company that is contracted out by NYU.

You may say, “well, NYU still pays the company”, true, but your headline and notes are not accurate. He is not an “NYU Facilities” employee. Be careful what you guys/gals toss up on your site on a moments notice. It’s better to check your facts and truly report than push your pajama journalism past the standard media ethics a publication normally employs, just for the sake of getting news online and then fixing it later. If a professional paper picked up on your blog, and reported off of your error, your little shop would be at fault.

Regardless, what a terrible situation for everyone involved. From what I hear, this is a nice man who is very good at his job who was trying to defend the women leaving the building.

This worker should not have spit at anyone, obviously, but those questioners area also to blame for their hounding of Rather and Abrahamson. It does their cause - the push for a new investigation into 9-11 - no good. This cause, make no mistake about it, has many worthy, reputable & notable advocates which include:
Mike Gravel (D-Alaska, 2008 presidential candidate)
Lincoln Chafee (R-Rhode Island)
Cynthia McKinney (D-Georgia, current presidential candidate)
Ralph Nader (consumer advocate, current presidential candidate)
Karen Johnson (R-Arizona)
Bob McIlvaine (9/11 Family Member)
Lori van Auken (9/11 Family Member who helped get 9/11 Commission enacted.
Ray McGovern (former CIA official)
Christine Ebersole (tony award winning actress)
Daniel Sunjata (Fox’s “Rescue Me”)
Wayne Madsen (former NSA employee)
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth (ae911truth.org)

The list is quite long, and this is only a thumbnail of supporters from around the world. Check out patriotsquestion911.com for a complete list of folks who either question 9/11 or have gone on record demanding a new investigation (it will blow your mind), and read David Ray Griffin’s “New Pearl Harbor (2004)” or more recently “American Empire: Intellectuals Speak out (2007)”. I’m not one for the Loose Change scene, though their final cut edition holds up well to scrutiny.

By demonstrating guerrilla tactics and following people uninvited into elevator doors, it takes the more vocal “We are Change” style of the demonstrating, fist pumping megaphone toting wing of the 9/11 Truth Movement down a notch in the eyes of intellectuals and media/political leaders. Which is sad, because of the people listed above. The intellectual side of the movement is very reputable (Griffin, BYU Prof. Steven Jones), etc.

What did they expect to get inside an elevator…the holy grail? Kennedy’s second assassin? Ugh. Not a smart move. They better not file a law suit, which stemmed from their badgering of these invited guest speakers. Especially when it comes to Dan Rather, a solid, call-it-like-he-sees-it journalist.

More to the point, I take issue with Mr. Gil Klein who asked what the question had to do with the panel. Dan Rather, on the day of 9/11, made a comment on air that world trade center building 7’s collapse looked like a typical implosion of a building using explosives. Since that day evidence has shown that the building was indeed brought down intentionally with explosives and incendiaries. Dan Rather is also on record saying that after 9/11 he felt pressure to toe the official line with regard to the so-called war on terror. This would seem to make a question about Rather’s view of the events of 9/11 very relevant to the subject of press freedom and the first amendment.

There are over 500 prominent architects and engineers who believe that the Trade Towers were brought down by a controlled demolition. ae911Truth.org

Surely all of these people cannot be tin foil hatters?

Hey, Dan Rather. How about interviewing some of them? Grow a pair!

AE911Truth.org

This is one reason why I never write about the 9/11 Truth Movement–it seems like every truther feels a need to post a comment on every single blog post on the Internet that’s even tangentially related to their chief obsession. It may be good for traffic, but it’s annoying as hell.

Mr. Resnikoff:

The fact there are prominent architects and engineers, over five hundred of them who believe there is evidence the Trade Towers were been brought down by a controlled demolition means nothing to you?

Should we at least have a new investigation?

[...] the event concluded, according to NYU Local, “conspiracy theorists followed Rather and Abramson out of the building after the panel [...]

“nuts in ny” and nyu local, reputable sources of information.
take a look at the media ethics flying out the window!
or the ability to inteligently debate a topic at hand, as proven by ned and cody.

good question, john bonnema. lets see how local labels the architects and engineers, lincoln chafee, mike gravel, etc.

its convenient and easy to label someone anything, when you don’t know what you are talking about, which is what sean hannnity makes a living on doing, but to actually do the leg work of reading the information being addressed well, that takes patience and a historical understanding that some people don’t have.

NYU TRAINS “PROFESSIONAL” GATE KEEPERS.Just see what happens when you try to report something embarrassing to the elite….

The “History” Channel and the BBC might have an Agenda, as they are run by the same corporate interest that profits from War.
Rather was crucified for telling the truth about Bush being AWOL
Rather had mentioned to BBC Reporter Greg Palast that if he told the truth
he would get a “burning Tire” around his neck. So True…
Asking questions about 911 doesn’t make you a “nut” but believing what you see on TV and what the Government tells you about 911 makes you naive or gullible at the very least.
The time for “polite discourse” is OVER! We must demand the truth, and we must help the Dan Rathers of the world when we can. If this means being peacefully demonstrative in how we ask questions so be it. Get used to it! We are everywhere now. You cannot hide. Spit on us, beat us, attack our integrity, we will NOT stop.
We do this for ALL of you, because IF 911 was a false flag terror event you’ve been had. Your liberties have been under attack, and by exposing the truth of 911 we have the best chance to restore them.
To finish, I suggest all skeptics investigate the WTC 1993 bombing. This event was an ADMITTED FBI “sting” operation, with the FBI approving the use of REAL explosives. As reported in the NY Times. Is it so hard to believe that this process was repeated in 2001?
http://www.deadlinelive.info
http://www.globaltruthnetwork.com

I wrote this article, and I would like to respond to a few of the particularly unsubstantiated comments I’ve read.

Steven, we did check out facts. True, CBS has been providing custodial staff, but until Oct. 27 they are technically NYU employees. If you have any more questions, feel free to contact John Beckman, like I did. Meanwhile, take a moment to check your own facts before making incorrect accusations.

I’m glad this article prompted so much discussion. That is the point of journalism– to make people ask questions, to foster awareness.

However, I’m disappointed at the off-topic accusations that were tossed around. As far as the ethics of this blog is concerned, unless you actually can prove that something we’ve presented as a fact is incorrect, “media ethics flying out the window” really means nothing. If you’re going to criticize, point out specific examples.

To those of you who read the article as a source of news, thanks for reading! I may present opinions in my pieces, but that’s why you can comment. Keep responding! There’s more to come.

Isha, I’m not question your reporting here, as someone else may have. I would like to hear what your opinion is of David Ray Griffin’s book, “American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out”, especially considering that among the reputable individuals listed in the media reviews (below, read each one) of the book, is NYU Prof. Mark Crispin Miller:

“For far too long, the very reasonable questions raised by 9/11 have been ignored and even ridiculed by America’s press and politicians, who treat the subject with the sort of willful blindness that suggests a wish not to find out unpleasant truths. We, the people, therefore owe the editors of this important new collection our warm thanks for their intelligent and unrelenting work.”
– Mark Crispin Miller, professor of culture and communications, New York University

Ten days ago, before reading this blog, I thought the 9/11 questioners were cooks,too, just like Mr. Cody Brown and Ned R. stated. But the notes above by John Bonnemma, Steven Johnson and Mary Smith got me thinking, as they didn’t sound crazy and conspiratorial, more fact based. So I went to B & N, bought the book. And I read it in the last week. My God. Thank you NYU Local! I can honestly say my mind has changed after reading the links above as well. There is TONS of verified information that apparently has been blocked from reaching US Media, and it appears that NYU Local’s commentary on this section is a testament to this fact. You guys just don’t have the information. Maybe yu don’t want it, but, I’d stay away from commenting on things you know little about. I just bought the 9/11 Commission report today, am starting on it.
WOW. That’s all I have to say. Buy it. Used. Whatever. Steal the damn thing. Howard Zinn wrote a review, as did PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS! He’s the father of Reagonomics, folks. I’m sorry, Ned and Cody, but your credentials don’t quite stack up in comparison to these gentleman, so maybe you should do some homework on the topic as harper winslow mentioned. You guys should seriously open your mind to the possibiity and read the damn book and watch/read the links above

“This is the most important book of our time. Distinguished national and international scientists and scholars present massive evidence that the 9/11 Commission Report is a hoax and that the 9/11 “terrorist attack” has been manipulated to serve a hegemonic agenda in the Middle East. The book’s call for a truly independent panel of experts to be empowered to bring out the true facts must be heeded or Americans will never again live under accountable government.”
— Paul Craig Roberts, former assistant secretary of the US Treasury

“Read this. Read this now. And then tell someone else what it told you. If you wondered where morality, intellectual rigor, common sense and historical perspective went when they disappeared from public discourse, be reassured—the authors of these essays were keeping them safe for you, along with a surprisingly functional sense of humor. This is a massively important book about events which are still changing our world—forget the internet wingnuts, forget the blurry thinking and the blurry photographs, forget the government gibberish—if you want to know about 9/11 read this book. Read it. Read it now. And then tell someone else what it told you.”
— A. L. Kennedy, Paradise and Indelible Acts

“Official versions of historical events should always be questioned. This book, dealing with 9/11 and much more, does just that, and from various points of view. It will provoke argument and that’s a good thing.”
— Howard Zinn, A People’s History of the United States

“In 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott point out that the book’s publication ’signals the beginning of a new phase of the 9/11 Truth Movement, one in which scholars will play an increasingly larger role.’ Griffin and Scott have assembled academics, scientists, engineers, and intellectuals with fine minds and courageous hearts to deliver the bitter pill—the official explanation of the events of 9/11 is false and the evidence indicating an inside job is significant. In doing so, they have returned scholarship to its rightful place of leading us back to excellence.”
— Catherine Austin Fitts, assistant secretary for housing, first Bush administration

“It has long been clear that the Bush-Cheney administration cynically exploited the attacks of 9/11 to promote its imperial designs. But the present volume confronts us with compelling evidence for an even more disturbing conclusion: that the 9/11 attacks were themselves orchestrated by this administration precisely so they could be thus exploited. If this is true, it is not merely the case, as the Downing Street memos show, that the stated reason for attacking Iraq was a lie. It is also the case that the whole ‘war on terror’ was based on a prior deception. This book hence confronts the American people—indeed the people of the world as a whole—with an issue second to none in importance and urgency. I give this book, which in no way can be dismissed as the ravings of ‘paranoid conspiracy theorists,’ my highest possible recommendation.”
— Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst and founder of VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity)

“All Americans who love their country enough to dig into the facts of these critical times will be well rewarded by examining David Griffin’s books. 9/11 truth is a very important issue-with the power to bring lasting change to our country.”
— The Rev. William Sloane Coffin Jr., former pastor of Riverside Church, New York

my type-o’s don’t do me justice…sorry…tired. long week.

From Paul Craig Roberts Wikipedia page…

“Of the 9/11 Commission Report he wrote in 2006, “One would think that if the report could stand analysis, there would not be a taboo against calling attention to the inadequacy of its explanations.” (see Criticisms of the 9/11 Commission Report). He has reported what he says are findings by experts that conclude there is a large energy deficit in the official account of the collapse of the three WTC buildings, and says that this deficit remains unexplained.

Roberts, a supply-side economist, comments on the “scientific impossibility” of the official explanation for the events on 9/11 and says those engineers and physicists who accept this theory are wrong. On August 18, 2006, he wrote:

“I will begin by stating what we know to be a solid incontrovertible scientific fact. We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to “pancake” at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false… Since the damning incontrovertible fact has not been investigated, speculation and “conspiracy theories” have filled the void.[4]

On the (back) cover of Debunking 9/11 Debunking (2007) he is quoted:

Professor Griffin is the nemesis of the 9/11 cover-up. This new book destroys the credibility of the NIST and Popular Mechanics reports and annihilates his critics.

Roberts is supported by hundreds (if not thousands) of global engineers to yet stand up.
ae911truth.com
patriotsquestion911.com

I would like a reply from everyone from NYU Local, and web surfers alike. Come on. Let’s hear what is so crazy about what I just posted.

to steph:

“I’d stay away from commenting on things you know little about”

This article was not a commentary on the legitimacy of the 9/11 conspiracy. Your passionate comments, while understandable, are irrelevant to the point of this article.

This article was about the specific event, not the conspiracy. I’m glad it caused you to look deeper into this conspiracy, but that doesn’t obligate me to involve myself in that topic.

I will not take responsibility for other people’s comments regarding the truth or falsity of the conspiracy theory.

“For far too long, the very reasonable questions raised by 9/11 have been ignored and even ridiculed by America’s press and politicians, who treat the subject with the sort of willful blindness that suggests a wish not to find out unpleasant truths. We, the people, therefore owe the editors of this important new collection our warm thanks for their intelligent and unrelenting work.”
– Mark Crispin Miller, professor of culture and communications, New York University

(David Ray Griffin’s “American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out”, 2007)

Isha,

You are off the hook. Agreed with the first two paragraphs of your comment. Still, you backed away from what has become the biggest misuse of power in the history of the united states - the 9/11 coverup. I asked you for your opinion-can you offer it? Maybe you want to read the book and then comment–in that case, hats off, you are a true journalist.

As a writer or reporter, you owe it to the trade you are studying to one day be compensated for to investigate based on some pretty damn compelling testimoney presented here from people who have served the country in good will.
The defenders of the official 9/11 theory? Tom Kean, Phil Zelikow, Dick Cheney, Popular Mechanics, government hired NIST investigators. Uhmm…take a guess who more than 50 percent of NY’ers trust.

Just read the damn book and make up your own mind. Hint-Phil Zelikow’s existence as Exec. DIrector of the 9/11 Commission voids the investigation as being independent from Washington and the GW Bush presidency. That alone is cause enough for a truly independent investigation, aside from the architects, engineers, family members, politicians, educators, etc., risking their asses for justice.

Maybe you and NYU Local just want to keep on believin’ in your government (regardless what the federal reserve continues to do to us all), that an inside job could never happen. By closing off your mind, you prove to your online community that you are not fair and balanced…by NOT researching what has been presented here. You know it is compelling…Follow up on it! I’d bet my life, the life of my parents, that you will not regret reading this one book. What are you guys so scared of?

What’s the story with the comments made by ned, cody and chris kennedy? They look extremely diminutive and weak in comparison to the “conspiracy freaks” that people love to harass, who hands down TROUNCED NYU Local in this thread. Ned and Cody’s comments were childish, and are not sound journalistic responses. I/others presented them with legitimate comments and, to readers, baby ned, baby chris and baby cody have tucked tail and run. Are they going to read David Ray Griffin’s “American Empire” as NYU Professor Mark Crispin Miller wrote the forward … or will they sit back, be lazy and remain uninformed, no-it-all 20-year-old pajama journalists who yell pot shots from the bleacher seats?

Come on, NYU Local, show me some god damn facts. Grow some balls and do your job. Unless twittering nonsense is your job. That is what is being demonstrated each day. Investigate 9-11 and the good souls behind the movement, people like BYU prof. Steven Jones and former Prof. David Ray Griffin. People Like Bob McIlvaine.

You want to show people what an online community is capable of? You’ll get readers beyond your wildest dreams.

Do you want to change the course of history?

U.N. Official Supports New Investigation
http://www.nysun.com/news/foreign/un-official-calls-study-neocons-role-911

Japanese Official Asks for New Investigation
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8274552561914055825
(1 of 4)
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20080617zg.html

British Parliament Member, German Secretary of Defense Doubt 9/11 Story
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8274552561914055825

“I’d bet my life, the life of my parents, that you will not regret reading this one book. What are you guys so scared of?”

“no-it-all 20-year-old pajama journalists who yell pot shots from the bleacher seats”

“Grow some balls and do your job.”

Hypocritical much?

I understand your point and agree that cody’s comment was dismissive and juvenile, but youve come to the wrong place to vent your frustrations at the federal govt. So far your qualifications in this argument include reading a book….

To be honest, your point is moot. If the govt was directly responsible for the attacks, there is nothing you can do about it, and no significant federal official will ever be indicted. I suggest you and your paranoia leave this country (especially if you think federal reserve is after you with its monetary policy of death).

You are either a pathetic fool or a cronie for WSN. Either way, you have no place here.

Pratik,

I disagree with you that “steph”, although noticeably frustrated and in her last note similarly (somewhat) juvenile, does have a place in asking for discourse on a topic that the NYU Local’s editors in unison made unsubstantiated commentary on. They placed their foot on the pavement by commenting on what millions of people around the world - sane people - question. That’s a healthy thing. I would say it is not healthy to blindly accept what is handed down from on high as the truth.

As far as your “paranoia” comment, that’s just ridiculous. Someone who has concern about the legitimacy of the 9-11 commission, based on a ton of respected people’s equal concerns, is not paranoid. I know that’s what those who believe the “official” conspiracy theory - such as yourself - would like to keep believing, but I know steph, she doesn’t work for WSN, and she certainly isn’t paranoid. she doesn’t believe in ufo’s or bigfoot or the whole New World Order jazz. She’s level headed, and she called out the NYU editors on their lame pot shots, and they ran because they don’t have the information. Its pretty plain and simple.

And I totally disagree that something can’t be done (if the us gov was involved), as more than 30,000 new yorkers showed this past summer by signing a petition to re-investigate 9-11. Google 9/11 NYC Ballot Initiative and Mike Gravel.
THe worm has turned.

I have yet to read American Empire: Intellectuals speak out, but I will certainly buy it soon on ebay because I know steph, trust her judgment as a student of journalism and history, and am not afraid to engage in discussion on false flag terrorism, which it is obvious that 9-11 was. The means by which the american public was manipulated into supporting a false war, all based on fear. rush to your government for protection and support us as we go after this faceless, endless enemy of middle eastern terrorists…

its obvious a) no plane hit the pentagon and b) building 7 was brought down by controlled demolition, but folks don’t want to believe it. whatever. doesn’t change the straight facts that NO bodies were found at the pentagon, and that rudy g. and all new building 7 was going to be demolished. Larry Silverstein the owner said to “pull it.” on the history channel. uhhmm…that means to take a building down. serious problems here folks.

Isn’t NYU Local about discourse on topics raised by NYU students? Well here we are…pratik, you don’t want discourse on this? why not? she has a right to call cody out. she’s just frustrated he wasn’t a man about it.

and there goes Local bolting.

my mind is open, and i’d like to see everyone buy this book and comment back to steph when they are finished.

Mr. Berkeley made a good point
Rowan Berkeley
Oct 20, 2008 0:49
For some reason, anti-intellectualism has always been officially treated with favour by US media bosses. The implicit argument of the anti-intellectual is “hey, I’m too stupid to follow your argument, so you can’t convince me to change my views. ha ha ha.”